Just curious

[flinginpooh]

This whole thread is really for jensen to see. Since he says only drifting is flossing and that you cant floss a spoon or a jig etc...

[fishenfreak]

u can its just less likely. Yarn and hook on a long leader is easy to floss, but if u are TRYING to floss with a spoon, your and idiot. LOL JENS go to the samish and watch for 5 minutes. its called 500 guys with jigs all flossing every fish that comes up. LOL

[A9]

Do you all think that snagging a fish would carry a different connotation if it was called foul hooked. Foul hooking a fish is a very common occurrence. I could be wrong but the word snag sounds like an outside the mouth hook-up is intended. And even if intended, is that so bad? I understand that that is a popular way of fishing for those big rainbows in some Alaskan rivers. Guides will actually put an egg lure a few inches up the leader from the hook. Am I confused, misunderstanding or just not getting what all the hoopla is about? Just askin'.

Foul hooking is accidental. By most laws this requires not being able to retain the fish and isn't frowned upon....It isn't intentional and its completely different than snagging...

Snagging, even some flossing is a deliberate attempt to hook fish in any way other than legally in the mouth. Some fisheries turn into snag/floss fests and are a terrible representation of the sportfishing community, if you could even call a snagger a sportfisherman....

Lastly, it would be nice to keep threads like these civil. I think they are healthy debate and I enjoy the banter (both hearing other peoples perspectives and sharing mine) but some folks take it personal / it turns it into a pissing match. Lets not get this thread locked up.

[fishenfreak]

Ok, what do you think. It hurts a fish more to be hooked in the MOUTH or to be hooked in the ASS?????

[A9]

A9, i COMPLETELY agree with you on what you just said except one thing.

Why do people hate snagging so much?

I dislike snagging because I personally feel that if a fish isn't willing to bite it shouldn't be subject to getting ripped out of the water. If you can't catch it legally, it shouldn't be caught. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!

The last thing the sportfishing community needs is a bigger group of snaggers (who have complete and utter disregard for fishing laws) who only harm the reputation and image of sportfisherman. Thinking outside of just the immediate consequences to that particular fishery/run of fish, people forget to realize how this affects sporties in respect to the WDFW/commission....More non-compliance and higher violation rates won't help our case when it comes to setting policies and seasons, not to mention the commercial/tribal versus sporty issue....

[tnj8222]

lol uh ooh some ones poon hurts. But then it would be up to a few others to provide fish porn, cuz we all know you don't know how to fish bj2000... :-" I knew you would have to stick your nose into me razzing another member and sure enough you got on crying about ban brian, loosen up you sound like a whinny *****

You would never talk to me like this in person.

[fishenfreak]

I know what ur saying A9 and im glad you can say 'well have to agree to disagree" instead of being an ass like some people. I dont support snagging trust me, but at a terminal fishery where theres millions of fish like chums i just find it fun and not such a bad thing to floss em since they wont bite

[natetreat]

Oh no. I can't stay away.

I personally have accidentally foul hooked fish on spinners. In fact the first salmon I caught when I was a kid was on a rooster tail while I was fishing for searun. Got it in the gill plate, didn't even know what it was. My dad told me to throw it back because it was a boot, and I was upset, I wanted to keep it!

Now that I'm grown up, I don't even feel the need to keep foul hooked fish. But I've flossed fish up with whatever you can think up. If it's got a hook on it you can get it to run through a fishes mouth.

IMO all these fish that get foul hooked, as far as salmon go, are getting harrassed and I've seen fish drowning at the end of a run that were released. They just die if they've spent all their energy getting horsed around. In rivers like the skok they have the rule that you have to keep the first two legally hooked fish and stop fishing. Which makes my trip super short. I almost look forward to getting a foul hooked fish, because I get to keep fishing. Yea, I know it's wrong. If they were really worried about it, they'd make people keep the first two fish hooked regardless, and stop fishing. Sure it's not sporting. But they're listed as FOOD FISH in the regs. They let the natives net 'em, let the snaggers snag 'em. But make 'em leave after they're done so they get out of my face.

[natetreat]

As for fish purposefully taking a corky, I've seen it. Just the other day I was untangling my pole tip and my corky was dangling and a pink shot out from under a log to grab it. If you ever fish anywhere with water clearer than the puke you'll see fish and their behavior when feeding. They grab it. Steelhead will zoom up out from under their rock to grab a corky, more agressively than most salmon. Salmon will grab it and swallow it. They'll eat dick nites, spinners, spoons, jigs. People that say they don't bite on purpose just haven't fished enough. Mainly they go lockjaw when there are ten guys throwing gear at them over and over all day. That's when you have to floss them or go somewhere else. Most of the time nowadays there isn't "somewhere else" to go, because all the rivers are jam packed with fishermen, unless you drive 4 hours or know a secret spot. That's why I don't give out my secret spots. Meh.

[Mike Carey]

lol uh ooh some ones poon hurts. But then it would be up to a few others to provide fish porn, cuz we all know you don't know how to fish bj2000... :-" I knew you would have to stick your nose into me razzing another member and sure enough you got on crying about ban brian, loosen up you sound like a whinny *****

You would never talk to me like this in person.

Exactly right. When people join here they agree to a set of standards for this community. Other sites have other standards, some have no standards.

We just ask that people be civil to each other. Calling people stupid and idiots is fine on YouTube and other places where anything goes, but not here. People don't come here to be insulted. Brian253, you need to chill.

[Matt]

I have never spoon snagged a fish, but I have fouled coho and chinook both on Vibrax several times. I think for me I just feel them bump my line, or am doing a fast retrieve and inadvertently hook up. I have hooked LOTS of fish on hardware on the outside of the mouth, either outside in, on the gillplate, or on the top of the head. I imagine they take a swipe at the offering and it just happens to stick wherever.

[jens]

This whole thread is really for jensen to see. Since he says only drifting is flossing and that you cant floss a spoon or a jig etc...

Jim you are confused, way confused. I know you can "FOUL HOOK" a fish with any gear. I have seen fish get foul hooked on my personal favorite, a jig, but more times than any other method out there, is your favorite: corky/yarn. You just don't see many fish coming in sideways or backwards when guys are fishing hardware, sorry bud, but you just don't. It's the whole corky and yarn set up where you see it happen and I see it all the time.

Jim you said you can floss with hardware. I say no. Well, I have heard you can floss with a small dick nite but what you are describing Jim is SNAGGING. That's the difference.

My personal opinion is I am about 95% sure the fish I have caught using a corky/yarn have all been lined/flossed. I am still on the fence about glowflossing because most of the fish were hooked on the tongue or in the upper mouth. But then I gotta believe it's because of the rods I use so I can feel when a fish has my line in it's mouth. And I set the hook hard.

But really what it boils down to is if the fish is hooked legally, then what can you do? I just am confused by your comment when you say you can floss with hardware. Not sure about you, but the spoons I use are about 6 bucks a pop. With that money, I'll let you buy me a beer and call it good. Deal? Or maybe my boy b253 can join us too.

[flinginpooh]

Whoa. Bud. I can't see how you could floss with a 1/2 Spoon or a size 4 Spinner or even a jig. I think you are confused my honey badger friend.

I laugh all the time hearing guys yell out loud when they are drift fishing(Flossing), "IT'S IN THE MOUTH!!" lol

You just don't hear that when people are fishing with Spoons, Spinners, Jigs, or bait, you just don't.

You said this on a different thread yesturday.

You dont hear them say its in the mouth? I heard them say its not in the mouth plenty.

You also said in different posts that if its drift fishing its flossing and flossing is snagging. So if flossing is snagging and Ive shown ya you can snag with hardware then You must be flossing. Therefore all lines put into the water are drifting down flossing and snagging. Just saying just saying. And we can Drift/floss/snag fish lol. Not mistaken here at all. Play on your words on different posts you put out maybe. Ill still have the beer, come on up to our neck of the woods. Brian only lives a few minutes from me.

[jens]

You also said in different posts that if its drift fishing its flossing and flossing is snagging. So if flossing is snagging and Ive shown ya you can snag with hardware then You must be flossing. Therefore all lines put into the water are drifting down flossing and snagging. Just saying just saying. And we can Drift/floss/snag fish lol. Not mistaken here at all. Play on your words on different posts you put out maybe. Ill still have the beer, come on up to our neck of the woods. Brian only lives a few minutes from me.[/quote]

From the read of this it looks like it's beer-thirty?

[Brian253]

Count me in boys, isn't it about time to go floss fall nook with big gobbs of bright red eggs , who's with me sunday, jensen, jim?

[chefjake99]

Here ya go!

[Matt]

From the read of this it looks like it's beer-thirty?

Funny ish.

[Amx]

Too much arguing, this one is locked as will most any flossing thread that shows up.