Mike Schmuck wrote: Anglinarcher wrote:
tluedeke wrote:I haven't been up there, but have heard nothing good at all since the 2007 rehab. Sounds like the WDFW made a serious effing mess of a formerly great spiny ray lake. Thing used to be packed to the hilt with bluegills, yellow perch, and crappie.
In defense of the WDFW, the bluegills and yellow perch were all but gone, as were the Bass. The Carp had eaten the weeds out of Sprague, so as a result of that, there was no place for spinney rays to hide from the Walleye, except for the edges of the reeds. The crappie had held on until the Russians started to keep 5 gallon buckets of them when ice fishing, but they too were gone.
I have always contended that the kill off was necessary
, but to remove the carp
, not the walleye. Of course, all died, it is a matter of what is put back in and when.
I just hope that the spinny rays come back sooner then later.
After the rehab in 2007 the lake was covered with dead crappie. There was no shortage of fish in the lake. This was not a case of walleye eating out a lake. It was a case on an unbalanced fishery with low angler use due to poor catch rates. Creel surveys are done to determine the $ brought in to local communities by fisheries. Sprague was producing very few angler days, which means no $$ for local businesses, and it was decided that a rehab would be done in an effort to kickstart a new fishery (Bass, bluegill, crappie, channel catfish). There were some hatchery fish produced and stocked but we also moved bluegill, bass and crappie from other lakes where they were plentiful into Sprague. Rainbow trout were stocked in order to produce a fishery while we waited for the warm water fish to reproduce and re-populate the lake. Unfortunately it seems that bullheads survived the rehab and stocking rates may not have been adequate. I am not intimately familiar with the status of the lake as it is managed in Region 1.
Why no walleye in Sprague now? Because there are enough walleye fisheries in the state (Banks, FDR, Moses, Potholes, Columbia River, Sccoteney) and we already found that walleye were tough to manage in Sprague Lake. We were going for a simpler fish community where anglers could catch bluegill and black crappie.
Why don't we stock more walleye? Walleye populations are doing fine on their own and for the most part don't need supplementation. The only lake where walleye are stocked is Liberty Lake in Spokane.
Mike, we should meet sometime. It is a shame that someone that should be well educated, such as yourself, has to preach the "company line". I wonder, do you really believe it, or are you forced to pretend you believe?
Interesting that the lake was covered with (floating) black crappie, but as the saying goes, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Was the lake covered with floating Walleye as well? When Donley was challenged on this, he said that most of the Walleye sank. Wow, carp float, crappie float, bass float, trout float, perch float, but walleye sink.
Most interesting, especially when every other walleye kill seems to float.
You claim that "Gill nets, trap nets, and electrofishing are the best methods we have determine relative abundance of fish populations in a community." I agree, and the best way to make sure that personal attitudes don't taint the results is to allow volunteers to monitor those methods. That is not something that Donley is willing to do, and did not do on Sprague.
Gee, I wonder why the bullhead survived. Could it be because they require a much higher dosage to kill them? It does not take much of an expert to know this, and every state I have dealt with in the past knows that. I would have thought that Washington would have known that as well.
I have always contended that there were adequate concentrations of Walleye to catch, and I was willing to show people how to do it. The problem was that most of the people that have the skills also have boats that don't launch well in that lake, and don't handle the rocks well either.
Seth Burrell of AX Fishing (TV host and fishing show) filmed a show at Sprague to prove it as well.
I have also contended that there were plenty of crappie in Sprague but that the larger ones were over fished during ice fishing season and the State knew it and did nothing about it.
I still contend that bass, bluegills, etc., were few and far in between, and this was largely due to a lack of weeds. This was a direct result of the carp. I stick by my statement, "I have always contended that the kill off was necessary
, but to remove the carp
, not the walleye. Of course, all died, it is a matter of what is put back in and when……..I just hope that the spiny rays come back sooner than later."
You want me, or YellowBear, or any others to believe differently, then permit witnesses to your so called studies. As a scientist, or engineer, I am expected to provide data that can be verified by peer review. Why don't you?????
By the way, don’t try to rewrite history regarding the claims about why Sprague was killed off. The state has removed the link to the plan, but I downloaded the plan a long time ago. I can e-mail it to ANYONE that desires it.